Provided the law is allowed to stand and is enforced, it is a victory for human rights, non-Islamic law, and... Vitamin D. "Belgian lawmakers vote to ban full Islamic veil in public," from Agence France-Presse, April 29:
AFP - Belgian lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Thursday to ban the wearing of the Islamic burqa in public, paving the way for the first clampdown of its kind in Europe.
In the lower house of federal parliament, 136 deputies voted to ban nationwide clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified, including the full-face niqab and burqa.
There were two abstentions. No one voted against.
The upper house of parliament has two weeks to raise any objections to the decision.
The ban will be imposed in streets, public gardens and sports grounds or buildings "meant for public use or to provide services" to the public, according to the text of the bill.
Exceptions could be allowed for certain festivities like carnivals if municipal authorities decide to grant them.
People who ignore the new law could face a fine of 15-25 euros (20-34 dollars) and/or a jail sentence of up to seven days, unless they have police permission to wear the garments.
All governing parties and the opposition agreed on the move -- most on the basis that people cannot be recognised wearing the clothing....
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This is good news.
There is no place in the modern West for anyone wearing the primitive, portable shroud known as the niqab.
There is no place in the modern West for anyone wearing the primitive, portable shroud known as the niqab.
First France, now Belgium. It's a good start...
Is this a sign that Europe is beginning to wake from its slumber? Will we?
And the UN just appointed Iran to their Commission on the Status of Women.
Ya win some, ya lose some. The UN needs to be evicted and relocated in Nairobi or some other hellish backwater more suited to their status.
Ya win some, ya lose some. The UN needs to be evicted and relocated in Nairobi or some other hellish backwater more suited to their status.
This is what Islam pushes free countries to do----deny freedom of sorts to those who would end freedom if they could. But it must be done. A majority-Muslim Belgium would be Belgium no more and thus it is imperative that for freedom to be preserved it must be taken away from those who have no real appreciation for it and would terminate it if possible. There is no reason for a free people to tolerate intolerance and nothing is more intolerant than Islam. And again, shame, deep shame, on the entire Islamic world, which is parasitical, unappreciative and invidious.
Now, if we could just make Islam go away completely what a better world it would be. Yeah, there would still be lots of problems but the world's biggest pain in the ass would no longer be one of them.
Now, if we could just make Islam go away completely what a better world it would be. Yeah, there would still be lots of problems but the world's biggest pain in the ass would no longer be one of them.
.......fantastic news for all free men.....and women......I sincerely hope that these moves are bolstered by Geert Wilders becoming leader of The Netherlands and banning the Koran in that country.
.........It is the only way forward if the European indigenous, mainly Christian people are to retain their identity......there is also a groundswell here in "thought control central"...........ie the UK
.........It is the only way forward if the European indigenous, mainly Christian people are to retain their identity......there is also a groundswell here in "thought control central"...........ie the UK
I've been saying for quite a while now that Europe is already past the point of no return.
But recent developments are beginning to cause me to think that I might be wrong.
I certainly hope that I am wrong.
But recent developments are beginning to cause me to think that I might be wrong.
I certainly hope that I am wrong.
Will they televise the riots?
136-0-2 is VERY encouraging.
I do wish that men of various religions would make up their minds whether women are fully human beings or not. They seem to have almost as much trouble with this in Oklahoma as they do in parts of the Muslim world. Whenever there is a god involved, his followers always seem to have to stop and think twice about the question of we Descendants of Adam's Rib. The question of men's status as human never seems to arise.
It is encouraging that Belgium has taken this step -- though what with the (mostly male, increasingly majority Muslim) whores at the UN welcoming Iran to a "women's rights" commission it does rather feel like one step forward, two steps back.
Is this uppity woman in a bitchy mood tonight? You betcha.
It is encouraging that Belgium has taken this step -- though what with the (mostly male, increasingly majority Muslim) whores at the UN welcoming Iran to a "women's rights" commission it does rather feel like one step forward, two steps back.
Is this uppity woman in a bitchy mood tonight? You betcha.
So you mean it's not all about Muslims?
Excellent. The world makes sense again.
Excellent. The world makes sense again.
WELLINGTON: "A majority-Muslim Belgium would be Belgium no more..."
The great Mark Steyn makes exactly the same point in a brand new interview below, saying about France, that when it has a Muslim majority,
"[France will still be France in a geographic sense, but it will otherwise be unrecognizable]"
http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=MjE5OTdmOTc2N2IzZWI0NmI1Y2FjZDVlNTEzYzJ
As Graven alluded above, banning face veils is just a start. Hesperado makes a similar point, that it doesn't make much sense for the Swiss to ban minarets when mosque construction continues unabated.
The great hope is that these restrictions are just the opening salvos in a coming "war" in which Islam itself is eventually so constricted in its public space that Muslims begin to emigrate from Europe en mass.
The great Mark Steyn makes exactly the same point in a brand new interview below, saying about France, that when it has a Muslim majority,
"[France will still be France in a geographic sense, but it will otherwise be unrecognizable]"
http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=MjE5OTdmOTc2N2IzZWI0NmI1Y2FjZDVlNTEzYzJ
As Graven alluded above, banning face veils is just a start. Hesperado makes a similar point, that it doesn't make much sense for the Swiss to ban minarets when mosque construction continues unabated.
The great hope is that these restrictions are just the opening salvos in a coming "war" in which Islam itself is eventually so constricted in its public space that Muslims begin to emigrate from Europe en mass.
"A majority-Muslim Belgium would be Belgium no more..." -- Wellington
OT: Indeed, and would forever make it impossible for this accidental and improbable "country" to split and the Flemish half in the north to merge with the Dutch and the Walloons in the south to merge with the French, which is where they belong. Maybe there's still a chance this could happen, although the E.U. project has made sentiments for this kind of natural cultural/linguistic merger to be somewhat old-fashioned and passe. Still...
OT: Indeed, and would forever make it impossible for this accidental and improbable "country" to split and the Flemish half in the north to merge with the Dutch and the Walloons in the south to merge with the French, which is where they belong. Maybe there's still a chance this could happen, although the E.U. project has made sentiments for this kind of natural cultural/linguistic merger to be somewhat old-fashioned and passe. Still...
replied to comment from duh_swami | April 29, 2010 5:03 PM | Reply "The revolution will not be televised"
- Gil Scott Heron
- Gil Scott Heron
A law is only useful if it is enforced.
Thanks Belgium! Another small victory in a long & tiring battle.
replied to comment from Cornelius | April 29, 2010 5:17 PM | Reply Cornelius said , "The great Mark Steyn makes exactly the same point in a brand new interview below, saying about France, that when it has a Muslim majority,
Thanks for the link, but it didn't work for me.
This one did: http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/
Thanks for the link, but it didn't work for me.
This one did: http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/
Just a warning!
Just read the Belgium papers.
The legislation still needs to pass in the senate which does not seem to be a problem but some are worried the EU will challenge the law as it might not be ‘compatible’ with the EU laws.
Just read the Belgium papers.
The legislation still needs to pass in the senate which does not seem to be a problem but some are worried the EU will challenge the law as it might not be ‘compatible’ with the EU laws.
What was it that Churchill said? - "It is not the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning."
It is a long war, but it's time we started to shoot back.
It is a long war, but it's time we started to shoot back.
Lest the Belgians need a reminder of how stupid Islam is check this out:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/28/women-suntans-arrested-iran-police-chief-warns/?test=latestnews
"In some areas of north Tehran we can see many suntanned women and young girls who look like walking mannequins," he continued. "We are not going to tolerate this situation and will first warn those found in this manner and then arrest and imprison them."
No tolerance. Gee I wonder if they are looking for prey for the rabid Basiji that raped (and murdered by rape) their way into the hearts of the Iranians who were imprisoned last summer. It sounds more like marketing to me.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/28/women-suntans-arrested-iran-police-chief-warns/?test=latestnews
"In some areas of north Tehran we can see many suntanned women and young girls who look like walking mannequins," he continued. "We are not going to tolerate this situation and will first warn those found in this manner and then arrest and imprison them."
No tolerance. Gee I wonder if they are looking for prey for the rabid Basiji that raped (and murdered by rape) their way into the hearts of the Iranians who were imprisoned last summer. It sounds more like marketing to me.
"It's Muslims, always Muslims", moaned one Muslim interviewed on BBC radio about the burka ban -- complaining that it's "always Muslims" that are targeted.
But that phrase really reflects so much, doesn't it?
"It's Muslims, always Muslims"......
It's Muslims, always Muslims..... Indeed.
But that phrase really reflects so much, doesn't it?
"It's Muslims, always Muslims"......
- ...who commit virtually every suicide-mass murder
...who call for Sharia in the west
...who suppress free speech
...who discriminate against women
...who throw homosexuals off tall buildings
...who stone adulterers
...who commit 5,000 "honor" murders each year... and yet,
...who demand special treatment
It's Muslims, always Muslims..... Indeed.
Anyone who still supports the United Nations deserves to be shunned by decent human beings. At least get that tower of filth out of this country and back to one of the leopard-skin-wearing-village-elders Third World hellholes where most of its current members originated. Send them to Tehran where they'll feel right at home.
FOX is reporting that Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) is seeking to have Ahmadinejad banned from entry into the US because the little monster wants to attend the UN meeting on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that will be going on all next month. Fat chance. Even Clinton says he should stay away but would the Obamullah go for a ban?
Anybody know if there's going to be a demonstration?
Good to see Europe taking SOME action. Unfortunately, anything short of mass deportation and the halting of immigration from islamic countries is not going to be enough...
replied to comment from Meeker | April 29, 2010 7:54 PM | Reply Excellent post. Well said!
Go, Belgium go! All free nations should emulate Belgium's example, including my own country run by super dhimmis. France and UK should do this before they are run over by overbreeding green slimes.
Ladies and gentlemen
I suggest polite, appreciative letters to the Belgian Ambassador in our various countries of origin - applauding this rational and sensible and long-overdue piece of legislation, expressing your sincere hopes that the Belgian government, judiciary, police and local authorities will be resolute in enforcing it, and thanking Belgium for setting a good example to all other free majority-nonMuslim countries - would be in order.
Be sure to mention that you will be buying an extra box of 'made in Belgium' chocolates by way of celebrating the triumph of commonsense over barbarism.
If you come from an EU country or are planning a trip to Europe, mention that the existence and resolute enforcement of a burqa ban in Belgium would influence you to prioritise Belgium as a place to visit. If the Belgians get a clear message that trade and tourism revenues will increase perceptibly in proportion to the degree to which they create a de-Islamified environment, then they will have an incentive to *go on* de-Islamifying.
I suggest polite, appreciative letters to the Belgian Ambassador in our various countries of origin - applauding this rational and sensible and long-overdue piece of legislation, expressing your sincere hopes that the Belgian government, judiciary, police and local authorities will be resolute in enforcing it, and thanking Belgium for setting a good example to all other free majority-nonMuslim countries - would be in order.
Be sure to mention that you will be buying an extra box of 'made in Belgium' chocolates by way of celebrating the triumph of commonsense over barbarism.
If you come from an EU country or are planning a trip to Europe, mention that the existence and resolute enforcement of a burqa ban in Belgium would influence you to prioritise Belgium as a place to visit. If the Belgians get a clear message that trade and tourism revenues will increase perceptibly in proportion to the degree to which they create a de-Islamified environment, then they will have an incentive to *go on* de-Islamifying.
Some thoughts on the matter:
If Western countries attempt to pass such laws, they need to be prepared (intellectually, legally, and physically) for the Muslim response. The reality of the situation is that the majority of Muslims are primitive, self-centered, demanding, bullying human beings who couldn’t really give a shit about the future. For the most part they care only about not going to Hell and getting to Paradise. They think nothing of taking to the streets with blind faith in Islam. Muslims have no clue that Islam is a text book recipe for profoundly self-defeating behavior.
In my (not so) humble opinion, Islam must be defeated on the intellectual level. The plain facts about Islam must become widely known. As more people learn that Muhammad was in fact nothing more than an insane criminal and a pathological narcissist, they will begin to understand what Islam is actually asking of the Muslims. If we all DO OUR PART, this brutal cult / ideology of hatred, violence, and injustice will be defeated. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but within the next 100 years.
I am an ex-Muslim.
http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org
If Western countries attempt to pass such laws, they need to be prepared (intellectually, legally, and physically) for the Muslim response. The reality of the situation is that the majority of Muslims are primitive, self-centered, demanding, bullying human beings who couldn’t really give a shit about the future. For the most part they care only about not going to Hell and getting to Paradise. They think nothing of taking to the streets with blind faith in Islam. Muslims have no clue that Islam is a text book recipe for profoundly self-defeating behavior.
In my (not so) humble opinion, Islam must be defeated on the intellectual level. The plain facts about Islam must become widely known. As more people learn that Muhammad was in fact nothing more than an insane criminal and a pathological narcissist, they will begin to understand what Islam is actually asking of the Muslims. If we all DO OUR PART, this brutal cult / ideology of hatred, violence, and injustice will be defeated. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but within the next 100 years.
I am an ex-Muslim.
http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org
Here are some ways that you can personally help in this great cause. And don’t worry about what the Muslims are thinking or doing. The “Islamist activists” know all of the tricks of the trade at this point. Islam will inevitably take them all to its dark dead end.
As the Muslims eventually wean themselves off of Islam, many of them will join us and help put an end to it. If you are young and feisty, I say – GO FOR IT. You have nothing to lose. To stand against Islam and distribute fliers of various sorts is not illegal.
* A person can easily make small paper fliers on their own printer. In fact several small fliers can fit onto one 11X81/2 sheet of paper. Then with scissors you simply cut them out and maybe add some color with a felt pen. They could read something as simple as: WWW.JihadWatch.org -- Stand against Sharia Law and Islamic Supremacism.
Or, WWW.JihadWatch.org -- Islam is not “the religion of peace” as it is commonly called, but it is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if a person were to say about Muslims what the Koran says about non-Muslims, they would be arrested for hate speech. The Koran largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone.
You can go down to Staples or some other office supply store and make hundreds of these for dirt cheap. These fliers can be left all over the place. In bathrooms, on car windshields, etc etc
* Another way is to collect large pieces of cardboard or plywood and paint a white (for example) background on them. Then, in black or some other dark coloured paint, write: WWW.JIHADWATCH.ORG These signs can be placed in any number of high traffic areas.
* Email what you think are some of the best articles from this and others great sites like FaithFreedom.org and IslamWatch.org to various people and groups. These above mentioned ideas can be very effective at exposing Islam for the fraud that it is.
As the Muslims eventually wean themselves off of Islam, many of them will join us and help put an end to it. If you are young and feisty, I say – GO FOR IT. You have nothing to lose. To stand against Islam and distribute fliers of various sorts is not illegal.
* A person can easily make small paper fliers on their own printer. In fact several small fliers can fit onto one 11X81/2 sheet of paper. Then with scissors you simply cut them out and maybe add some color with a felt pen. They could read something as simple as: WWW.JihadWatch.org -- Stand against Sharia Law and Islamic Supremacism.
Or, WWW.JihadWatch.org -- Islam is not “the religion of peace” as it is commonly called, but it is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if a person were to say about Muslims what the Koran says about non-Muslims, they would be arrested for hate speech. The Koran largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone.
You can go down to Staples or some other office supply store and make hundreds of these for dirt cheap. These fliers can be left all over the place. In bathrooms, on car windshields, etc etc
* Another way is to collect large pieces of cardboard or plywood and paint a white (for example) background on them. Then, in black or some other dark coloured paint, write: WWW.JIHADWATCH.ORG These signs can be placed in any number of high traffic areas.
* Email what you think are some of the best articles from this and others great sites like FaithFreedom.org and IslamWatch.org to various people and groups. These above mentioned ideas can be very effective at exposing Islam for the fraud that it is.
Not to be a pessimist but I think these are really feeble and merely symbolic gestures to blunt European Islamification. While the Europeans pass mild, ineffectual laws, muslims are continuing to rapidly grown their numbers, aggressively take over institutions and change society to their benefit and the West's detriment.
Take France for example, with much trepidation and hand-wringing they're trying to ban burqas, meanwhile muslims have destroyed tens of thousands of cars, created no-go zones where if any non-muslims enter they will be beaten and killed. They've forced restaurants like KFC to serve only halal meat, changed the education curriculum and basically bullied their opponents into silence if they dare protest against these changes.
In the UK the citizens are regularly terrorized by muslim thugs/youths, their young daughters are forced into prostitution, their political parties infiltrated by jihadists and so on. Not to mention some European cities are already majority muslim-something I personally never imagined would happen so quickly.
So comparing Islamization versus 'Safeguarding Democracy', the muslims are absolutely dominating the battle. A few muslims might whine about the ban, but they all know its relatively trivial, what really matters is that they win in the end and take over every nation.
Until we hit the Islamic beast where it hurts, (by that I mean attacking their death cult Islam-like banning the Quran for instance and freeze immigration and deport muslims), only then will real progress be made. Right now this is all shadow-boxing and frankly a burqa ban is pretty pathetic and meaningless, unless it'll be followed up by much stronger action.
Things are moving very fast, so Europe and the West better get its act together and take a much harder line than we ever have before, or its the final curtain for the beautiful experiment called Western Civilization and the world will re-enter the Dark Ages probably forever. We shouldn't be so arrogant to assume that even though countless other civilizations fell to Islam, ours won't. Ignorance and fear are the muslims most powerful weapons and they're proving to be very effective.
The only people I have real faith in are those like Geert Wilders, the Churchill of our time. If every western nation elects a man like him to be their PM, then there is hope. Also large anti-Islamic mass movements would go a long way to helping free the West. What happens in the next 5 to 10 years might determine who (us free people or the medieval religious barbarians) will get to shape and dominate the next 1000 years.
Take France for example, with much trepidation and hand-wringing they're trying to ban burqas, meanwhile muslims have destroyed tens of thousands of cars, created no-go zones where if any non-muslims enter they will be beaten and killed. They've forced restaurants like KFC to serve only halal meat, changed the education curriculum and basically bullied their opponents into silence if they dare protest against these changes.
In the UK the citizens are regularly terrorized by muslim thugs/youths, their young daughters are forced into prostitution, their political parties infiltrated by jihadists and so on. Not to mention some European cities are already majority muslim-something I personally never imagined would happen so quickly.
So comparing Islamization versus 'Safeguarding Democracy', the muslims are absolutely dominating the battle. A few muslims might whine about the ban, but they all know its relatively trivial, what really matters is that they win in the end and take over every nation.
Until we hit the Islamic beast where it hurts, (by that I mean attacking their death cult Islam-like banning the Quran for instance and freeze immigration and deport muslims), only then will real progress be made. Right now this is all shadow-boxing and frankly a burqa ban is pretty pathetic and meaningless, unless it'll be followed up by much stronger action.
Things are moving very fast, so Europe and the West better get its act together and take a much harder line than we ever have before, or its the final curtain for the beautiful experiment called Western Civilization and the world will re-enter the Dark Ages probably forever. We shouldn't be so arrogant to assume that even though countless other civilizations fell to Islam, ours won't. Ignorance and fear are the muslims most powerful weapons and they're proving to be very effective.
The only people I have real faith in are those like Geert Wilders, the Churchill of our time. If every western nation elects a man like him to be their PM, then there is hope. Also large anti-Islamic mass movements would go a long way to helping free the West. What happens in the next 5 to 10 years might determine who (us free people or the medieval religious barbarians) will get to shape and dominate the next 1000 years.
Looks like the dar al harb is waking up. Draw mohammed day one day, ban the burka the next. And now for our next little trick ....
replied to comment from fitna | April 29, 2010 10:43 PM | Reply Hence one of the many weaknesses of democracy
Population small
Population protected species and promoted
Big enough population requires that you be represented. Representation means law changes.
It has always been about demographics and always will be. I wonder if you can liken the barbaric mercenaries contributing to the fall of Rome, the same way you have preserved and protected economic migrants to Western countries.
Population small
Population protected species and promoted
Big enough population requires that you be represented. Representation means law changes.
It has always been about demographics and always will be. I wonder if you can liken the barbaric mercenaries contributing to the fall of Rome, the same way you have preserved and protected economic migrants to Western countries.
replied to comment from Mobamad | April 29, 2010 11:24 PM | Reply -an Iranian Fokker F27 aircraft on April 21 hovered for 20 minutes 900 meters above and no more than 250 meters away from the carrier USS Eisenhower...a week later, US Persian Gulf command went public on the incident,only after Gulf military circles, amazed at the American naval and air units' passivity in the face of hostile surveillance, threatened to break the story to local media...the US Gulf and Arabian fleets are under orders to take no action - certainly not to open fire - against Iranian naval or air units, with first obtaining permission directly from Washington....from debka.com
This is a worrisome invitation for the Iranians favorite play - taking hostages. The impending first strike problem of theirs would look better after grabbing a ship? They like pulling these stunts and they've had some success...Hopefully this is just debka hype. But better yet, the US navy should keep knocking heads around when they get get the chance.
This is a worrisome invitation for the Iranians favorite play - taking hostages. The impending first strike problem of theirs would look better after grabbing a ship? They like pulling these stunts and they've had some success...Hopefully this is just debka hype. But better yet, the US navy should keep knocking heads around when they get get the chance.
The Revolution WILL be televised. This act laudable though it is needs to be followed up with a complete banning of further Mosque building. A ban on all Muslim immigration and the expulsion of those guilty of wrongdoing - alongside the removal of thier passports/nationality for those who have been naturalised. And all the other policies championed by the PVV. Standby for the riots, killing, terrorism when the first arrests or fines are made. I hope they have the army on standby.
replied to comment from fitna | April 29, 2010 11:58 PM | Reply I disagree Fitna, this ban if it is allowed by the EU (but thats a whole other story) is about probing the Enemies defences. If they react violently to this then the Dutch will have 2 options. Cave in or get even tougher. Remember we could be seeing Geert Wilders as President - he certainly wont take any shit !In Britain we have the BNP of which I am a member and we are alerting the British population as to what is happening in relation to the Muslim menace. By the way congratulations on leaving Islam and for your contributions so far.
replied to comment from Meeker | April 30, 2010 1:00 AM | Reply Well said, Meeker,
If a Muslim, especially a female one, was intelligent, inquisitive, truth-seeking above all else, and adult responsibility-taking, she would realise that Islam is 'targeted, demonized" for good reasons, and she would consider the protests against it as a MIRROR.
In that respect Muslims can learn so much from their 'buddies", the PCMC's, who are so critical of their own societies/ heritages' faults and shortcomings. Only, by now, often ridiculously so, if I may express my feelings about that.
If a Muslim, especially a female one, was intelligent, inquisitive, truth-seeking above all else, and adult responsibility-taking, she would realise that Islam is 'targeted, demonized" for good reasons, and she would consider the protests against it as a MIRROR.
In that respect Muslims can learn so much from their 'buddies", the PCMC's, who are so critical of their own societies/ heritages' faults and shortcomings. Only, by now, often ridiculously so, if I may express my feelings about that.
replied to comment from uncleoinky | April 30, 2010 1:23 AM | Reply I am only theoretical, I suppose, but my answer would be to try to target the MuslimA's, because our system is in many ways better for them than the Islamic system, and half of the Islamic babies is female. But I'm not sure it would work.
Also very important is raising consciousness and awareness among the non-Muslims in the West. Very important for them to realize what it is they are FOR and stand to lose. After that, to unite more and more FOR essential Democratic rules/ values, the Golden Rule, Human Rights. In a Leaque of Democratic Nations, and only then in the UN.
And the official recognition, after deep study and argumentation, that Islam and Democracy are in part at least at odds with each other. Therefore intolerance to the in part extreme intolerant Muslims should be allowed, institutionalized.
But mitigated if Muslims must sign contracts, swear oaths of loyalty to democratic rules and values and if reliable control-mechanisms are in place to check them keeping their word or not. At least in a general way.
Only that can enable politicians to stop immigration of loyal to Islam-only-Muslims. And to, yes, discriminate in vital respects, on being loyal or not, in contract and practice, to Democracy-over-Islam
http://www.debka.com/article/8747/